Takumar Field Guide
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    • 1:3.5 f=50 Model I
    • 1:3.5 f=100
    • 1:3.5 f=135
    • 1:3.5 f=50 Model lI
    • 1:3.5 f=50 Model III
    • 1:1.9 f=83
    • 1:2.4 f=58
  • M42 Takumar Guide
    • 2025 Frequencies
    • 2024 Percentages
    • Wide Takumars >
      • Fish-eye 1 : 11 / 18 (356)
      • 1 : 4 / 35 (329)
    • Standard Takumars >
      • 1 : 1.8 f=58
      • 1 : 2.2 f=55
      • 1 : 2 f=58
      • 1 : 2.4 f=58
      • 1 : 1.8 f=55
    • Long Takumars >
      • 1 : 1.9 / f=83 (322)
      • 1 : 2 / 100
      • 1 : 3.5 f=100
      • 1 : 2.8 f=105 (331)
      • 1 : 2.8 f=105 (349)
      • 1 : 3.5 f=135 Model I (324)
      • 1 : 3.5/135 Model II (353)
      • 1 : 3.5 f=200 (338)
      • 1 : 5.6 / 200 (347)
      • 1 : 4 f=300 Model I
      • 1 : 4 f=300 Model II (346)
    • Extreme Takumars >
      • 1 : 5 f=500 Models I&II (326)
      • 1 : 4.5 / 500 (366)
      • 1 : 8 f=1000 (334)
    • Auto-Takumars >
      • 1 : 2.3 /35 (335)
      • 1 : 3.5 /35 (336)
      • 1 : 1.8 - 22 f=55 (332)
      • 1 : 1.8 - 16 / 55 (345)
      • 1 : 2 f=55 (341)
      • 1 : 2.2 / 55
      • 1 : 1.8 / 85 (342)
      • 1 : 2.8 f=105 (340)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 135 (343)
    • Wide Super-Takumars >
      • Fish-eye 1 : 4 / 17 (43841)
      • 1 : 4.5 / 20 (43951)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 24 (43961)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 28 Model I (348)
      • 1 : 2 / 35 Model I (368)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 28 Model II (43871)
      • 1 : 2 / 35 Model II (43931)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 35 Model I (357)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 35 Model II (43571)
    • Standard Super-Takumars >
      • 1 : 1.4 / 50 (358) 8 element
      • 1 : 1.4 / 50 (37800)
      • 1 : 1.4 / 50 (37801)
      • 1 : 1.4 / 50 (37802)
      • 1 : 1.8 / 55 (345-2)
      • 1 : 1.8 / 55 (345-5)
      • 1 : 1.8 / 55 (37100)
      • 1 : 1.8 / 55 (37101)
      • 1 : 1.8 / 55 (37106)
      • 1 : 2 / 55 (345-3)
      • 1 : 2 / 55 (345-6)
      • 1 : 2 / 55 (37102)
      • 1 : 2 / 55 (37103)
      • 1 : 2 / 55 (37107)
    • Long Super-Takumars >
      • 1 : 1 .9 / 85 364 (43640)
      • 1 : 2.8 / 105 350 (43500)
      • 1 : 2.8 / 105 (43501)
      • 1 : 2.5 / 135 (43801)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 135 354 (43540)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 135 (43541)
      • 1 : 4 / 150 374 (43740)
      • 1 : 4 / 150 (43741)
      • 1 : 4 / 200 376 (37600)
      • 1 : 4 / 200 43760 (43761)
      • 1 : 4 / 300 43891 (43894)
    • Tele-Takumars >
      • 1 : 5.6 / 200 351 (43510)
      • 1 : 6.3 / 300 363 (43630)
      • 1 : 5.6 / 400 370 (43700)
      • 1 : 8 / 1000 365 (43650)
    • Wide Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR >
      • FISH-EYE 1:4 / 17 (43842)
      • 1 : 4.5 / 20 (43952)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 24 (43962)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 28 (43872)
      • 1 : 2 / 35 (43932)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 35 (43572)
    • Standard Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR >
      • 1 : 1.4 / 50 (37902)
      • 1 : 1.8 / 55 (37104)
    • Long Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR >
      • 1 : 1.9 / 85 (43641)
      • 1 : 1.8 / 85 (43832)
      • 1 : 2.8 / 105 (43502)
      • 1 : 2.8 / 120 (43982)
      • 1 : 2.5 / 135 (43802)
      • 1 : 2.5 / 135 (43812)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 135 (43542)
      • 1 : 4 / 150 (43742)
      • 1 : 4 / 200 (43762)
      • 1 : 4 / 300 (43892)
    • Extreme Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMARS >
      • 1 : 5.6 / 400 (43701)
      • 1 : 4.5 / 500 (43661)
      • 1 : 8 / 1000 (43691)
    • SMC TAKUMARS >
      • 1 : 3.5 / 15 (44002)
      • 1 : 1.4 / 50 (37908)
      • 1 : 1.8 / 55 (37108)
      • 1 : 2 / 55 (37109)
    • Macro-Takumars >
      • 1 : 4 / 50 (367)
      • Super 1 : 4 / 50 (391)
      • S-m-c 1 : 4 / 50 (43912)
      • S-m-c 1 : 4 / 100 (43922)
    • Bellows-Takumars >
      • 1: 4 / 100 360 (43600)
      • S-m-c 1: 4 / 100 (43601)
    • Ultra-Achromatic TAKUMARS >
      • Quartz 1 : 3.5 / 85 (361)
      • 1 : 4.5 / 85 (43851)
      • 1 : 3.3 / 300
      • 1 : 5.6 / 300 (43861)
    • TAKUMAR-ZOOMS >
      • Super 1 : 4.5 / 70-150 (362)
      • S-m-c 1 : 4.5 / 85-210 (43770)
      • SMC 1 : 4 / 45-125 (44012)
      • SMC 1 : 6.7 / 135-600 (43990)
  • P67 Guide
    • TAKUMAR & SUPER TAKUMAR >
      • 1: 4.5 / 35 FISH-EYE
      • 1 : 3.5 / 55
      • 1 : 4.5 / 75
      • 1 : 2.4 / 105
      • 1 : 2.8 / 150
      • 1 : 4 / 200
      • 1 : 4 / 300
      • 1 : 4 / 400
      • 1 : 4 / 600
      • 1 : 4 / 800
    • S-M-C TAKUMAR / 6X7 >
      • 1 : 4.5 / 35 FISH-EYE
      • 1 : 3.5 / 55
      • 1 : 4.5 / 75
      • Lenses and Accessories
      • 1 : 2.8 / 90 LS
      • 1 : 2.4 / 105
      • 1 : 4 / 135 MACRO
      • 1 : 2.8 / 150
      • 1 : 4 / 200
      • 1 : 4 / 300
      • 1 : 4 / 400
      • 1 : 4 / 600
      • 1 : 4 / 800
      • 1 : 8 / 1000 REFLEX
    • SMC PENTAX-6X7 >
      • 1 : 4 / 45
      • 1 : 4 / 55
      • 1 : 4.5 / 75 SHIFT
      • 1 : 2.8 / 90
      • 1 : 2.8 / 165
      • 1 : 5.6 / 500
    • SMC PENTAX 67 >
      • 1 : 4.5 / 35 FISH-EYE
      • 1 : 4 / 45
      • 1 : 4 / 55
      • 1 : 4.5 / 75
      • 1 : 4.5 / 75 SHIFT
      • 1 : 2.8 / 75 AL
      • 1 : 2.8 / 90
      • 1 : 4 / 100 MACRO
      • 1 ; 4.5 / 55 ~ 100 ZOOM
      • 1 : 2.4 / 105
      • 1 ; 3.5 / 120 soft
      • 1 : 4 / 135 MACRO
      • 1 : 2.8 / 165
      • 1 : 4 / 165 LS
      • 1 : 5.6 / 90 ~ 180 ZOOM
      • 1 : 4 / 200
      • 1 : 4 / 300
      • 1 : 5.6 / 500
    • SMC PENTAX - M* 67 >
      • 1 : 4 / 300 ED (IF)
      • 1 : 4 / 400 ED (IF)
      • 1 : 6.7 / 800 ED (IF)
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  • Acknowledgement

Assembling Takumars

30/1/2021

2 Comments

 
Lens assembly could be affected by the late arrival or shortage of individual parts like nameplates as noted earlier. Assembly relied upon a steady supply of components from manufacturers. Multiple suppliers were involved. Suppliers of the same part often made them in subtly different ways, deliberately. Thus parts from a particular supplier can be identified.
 
Mid-1960’s lens cases, for example, were made by at least two suppliers as illustrated in the discussion of the accessories for the Super-Takumar 1:1.4/ 50mm (see: Takumarology). Case straps were attached by two styles of chrome-plated buckles. One maker used square buckles; the other buckles with a rounded side; just one of several minor differences between cases made by the two main suppliers.
 
Lenses were also assembled from parts provided by different makers. Focus rings (and the number of finger grips around them) vary between lenses of different diameter. Finger grips have evolved to contain a certain number of grooves; a number later varied by different makers.  
 
When standard Asahiflex lenses became Asahi Pentax lenses, Takumars gained their first “coarse” finger grips; all with 10 grooves. The number seems to have had early significance, as 10 blades were also used in early Takumar diaphragms. As new lenses were designed the number began to change (see: Collection). It decreased and then increased, stabilized and was fixed (again usually at 10) by the end of the Super-Takumar period. 
 
During a large part of the early Super-Takumar period batches of lenses have focus rings containing finger grips with 8-11 grooves, but mainly either ten or eleven scattered throughout each batch.  It’s typical of standard lenses produced in the early 1960’s.  This seems to have been because different suppliers made them so and another clue as to the way assembly was made to work.

Droo

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2 Comments

Serial Number Continuity

2/1/2021

3 Comments

 
The hypothesis that all Takumar lenses have unique serial numbers is supported. 

However, that doesn’t always apply to lenses of different kinds from adjacent batches. On very rare occasions (19 in all, or 0.03% of such batches), the last copy produced in a batch with serial number (n), is followed by the first copy of the lens in the next batch also with serial number (n), instead of (n+1).  I have long puzzled over this as an error on my part because it hasn’t been previously reported. I then realized that no one else is likely to have access to this information. I have checked and re-checked myself to be convinced that this phenomenon may be real. It is definitely human error, either mine, or another's (or both) and infinitesimally insignificant. Just in case you think I'm being curmudgeonly, on a good day I believe the error is a keyboard stroke misfire, but the analysis below allows otherwise. The best part of this dithering is that it underlines the truth of the above tenet (and my keyboard needs a good clean).
 
So, only adjacent batches of different lenses very rarely have the same serial number because of this kind of lapse in continuity. To date I have recorded over 68,000 lenses in over 5,800 batches. In the first 1 million serial numbers I found two pairs of batches sharing a serial number. Then in the mid 1960’s just after 2.5 million serial numbers 6 close-packed examples appear. Only one example occurs up to 4 million; another two around 5 million. Three appear up to 6 million (now including 6x7 lenses); one up to 7 million and four up to 8 million, all involving 6x7 lenses.
 
I am sharing this information for historical reasons. These observations may follow historical trends in the complexity of manufacture when staff and procedures would be facing greatest demands.  But, I have not been able to hold, or observe two lenses with identical serial numbers simultaneously. Actual details can be supplied if needed.
 
(These comments don't apply to AOCo publications. "Artistic licence", or other rules apply, because serial numbers on illustrations in brochures are often fictitious (i.e. re-used serial numbers).

2021 Frequencies now are posted for M42 lenses.
 
Regards,

Droo
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    Thread mounted (M42) Takumar lenses are native to Asahi Pentax cameras. I used Takumars in field biology from 1972. I hope my research interests you.

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