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    • Wide Takumars >
      • Fish-eye 1 : 11 / 18 (356)
      • 1 : 4 / 35 (329)
    • Standard Takumars >
      • 1 : 1.8 f=58
      • 1 : 2.2 f=55
      • 1 : 2 f=58
      • 1 : 2.4 f=58
      • 1 : 1.8 f=55
    • Long Takumars >
      • 1 : 1.9 / f=83 (322)
      • 1 : 2 / 100
      • 1 : 3.5 f=100
      • 1 : 2.8 f=105 (331)
      • 1 : 2.8 f=105 (349)
      • 1 : 3.5 f=135 Model I (324)
      • 1 : 3.5/135 Model II (353)
      • 1 : 3.5 f=200 (338)
      • 1 : 5.6 / 200 (347)
      • 1 : 4 f=300 Model I
      • 1 : 4 f=300 Model II (346)
    • Extreme Takumars >
      • 1 : 5 f=500 Models I&II (326)
      • 1 : 4.5 / 500 (366)
      • 1 : 8 f=1000 (334)
    • Auto-Takumars >
      • 1 : 2.3 /35 (335)
      • 1 : 3.5 /35 (336)
      • 1 : 1.8 - 22 f=55 (332)
      • 1 : 1.8 - 16 / 55 (345)
      • 1 : 2 f=55 (341)
      • 1 : 2.2 / 55
      • 1 : 1.8 / 85 (342)
      • 1 : 2.8 f=105 (340)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 135 (343)
    • Wide Super-Takumars >
      • Fish-eye 1 : 4 / 17 (43841)
      • 1 : 4.5 / 20 (43951)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 24 (43961)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 28 Model I (348)
      • 1 : 2 / 35 Model I (368)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 28 Model II (43871)
      • 1 : 2 / 35 Model II (43931)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 35 Model I (357)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 35 Model II (43571)
    • Standard Super-Takumars >
      • 1 : 1.4 / 50 (358) 8 element
      • 1 : 1.4 / 50 (37800)
      • 1 : 1.4 / 50 (37801)
      • 1 : 1.4 / 50 (37802)
      • 1 : 1.8 / 55 (345-2)
      • 1 : 1.8 / 55 (345-5)
      • 1 : 1.8 / 55 (37100)
      • 1 : 1.8 / 55 (37101)
      • 1 : 1.8 / 55 (37106)
      • 1 : 2 / 55 (345-3)
      • 1 : 2 / 55 (345-6)
      • 1 : 2 / 55 (37102)
      • 1 : 2 / 55 (37103)
      • 1 : 2 / 55 (37107)
    • Long Super-Takumars >
      • 1 : 1 .9 / 85 364 (43640)
      • 1 : 2.8 / 105 350 (43500)
      • 1 : 2.8 / 105 (43501)
      • 1 : 2.5 / 135 (43801)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 135 354 (43540)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 135 (43541)
      • 1 : 4 / 150 374 (43740)
      • 1 : 4 / 150 (43741)
      • 1 : 4 / 200 376 (37600)
      • 1 : 4 / 200 43760 (43761)
      • 1 : 4 / 300 43891 (43894)
    • Tele-Takumars >
      • 1 : 5.6 / 200 351 (43510)
      • 1 : 6.3 / 300 363 (43630)
      • 1 : 5.6 / 400 370 (43700)
      • 1 : 8 / 1000 365 (43650)
    • Wide Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR >
      • FISH-EYE 1:4 / 17 (43842)
      • 1 : 4.5 / 20 (43952)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 24 (43962)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 28 (43872)
      • 1 : 2 / 35 (43932)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 35 (43572)
    • Standard Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR >
      • 1 : 1.4 / 50 (37902)
      • 1 : 1.8 / 55 (37104)
    • Long Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR >
      • 1 : 1.9 / 85 (43641)
      • 1 : 1.8 / 85 (43832)
      • 1 : 2.8 / 105 (43502)
      • 1 : 2.8 / 120 (43982)
      • 1 : 2.5 / 135 (43802)
      • 1 : 2.5 / 135 (43812)
      • 1 : 3.5 / 135 (43542)
      • 1 : 4 / 150 (43742)
      • 1 : 4 / 200 (43762)
      • 1 : 4 / 300 (43892)
    • Extreme Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMARS >
      • 1 : 5.6 / 400 (43701)
      • 1 : 4.5 / 500 (43661)
      • 1 : 8 / 1000 (43691)
    • SMC TAKUMARS >
      • 1 : 3.5 / 15 (44002)
      • 1 : 1.4 / 50 (37908)
      • 1 : 1.8 / 55 (37108)
      • 1 : 2 / 55 (37109)
    • Macro-Takumars >
      • 1 : 4 / 50 (367)
      • Super 1 : 4 / 50 (391)
      • S-m-c 1 : 4 / 50 (43912)
      • S-m-c 1 : 4 / 100 (43922)
    • Bellows-Takumars >
      • 1: 4 / 100 360 (43600)
      • S-m-c 1: 4 / 100 (43601)
    • Ultra-Achromatic TAKUMARS >
      • Quartz 1 : 3.5 / 85 (361)
      • 1 : 4.5 / 85 (43851)
      • 1 : 3.3 / 300
      • 1 : 5.6 / 300 (43861)
    • TAKUMAR-ZOOMS >
      • Super 1 : 4.5 / 70-150 (362)
      • S-m-c 1 : 4.5 / 85-210 (43770)
      • SMC 1 : 4 / 45-125 (44012)
      • SMC 1 : 6.7 / 135-600 (43990)
  • P67 Guide
    • TAKUMAR & SUPER TAKUMAR >
      • 1: 4.5 / 35 FISH-EYE
      • 1 : 3.5 / 55
      • 1 : 4.5 / 75
      • 1 : 2.4 / 105
      • 1 : 2.8 / 150
      • 1 : 4 / 200
      • 1 : 4 / 300
      • 1 : 4 / 400
      • 1 : 4 / 600
      • 1 : 4 / 800
    • S-M-C TAKUMAR / 6X7 >
      • 1 : 4.5 / 35 FISH-EYE
      • 1 : 3.5 / 55
      • 1 : 4.5 / 75
      • Lenses and Accessories
      • 1 : 2.8 / 90 LS
      • 1 : 2.4 / 105
      • 1 : 4 / 135 MACRO
      • 1 : 2.8 / 150
      • 1 : 4 / 200
      • 1 : 4 / 300
      • 1 : 4 / 400
      • 1 : 4 / 600
      • 1 : 4 / 800
      • 1 : 8 / 1000 REFLEX
    • SMC PENTAX-6X7 >
      • 1 : 4 / 45
      • 1 : 4 / 55
      • 1 : 4.5 / 75 SHIFT
      • 1 : 2.8 / 90
      • 1 : 2.8 / 165
      • 1 : 5.6 / 500
    • SMC PENTAX 67 >
      • 1 : 4.5 / 35 FISH-EYE
      • 1 : 4 / 45
      • 1 : 4 / 55
      • 1 : 4.5 / 75
      • 1 : 4.5 / 75 SHIFT
      • 1 : 2.8 / 75 AL
      • 1 : 2.8 / 90
      • 1 : 4 / 100 MACRO
      • 1 ; 4.5 / 55 ~ 100 ZOOM
      • 1 : 2.4 / 105
      • 1 ; 3.5 / 120 soft
      • 1 : 4 / 135 MACRO
      • 1 : 2.8 / 165
      • 1 : 4 / 165 LS
      • 1 : 5.6 / 90 ~ 180 ZOOM
      • 1 : 4 / 200
      • 1 : 4 / 300
      • 1 : 5.6 / 500
    • SMC PENTAX - M* 67 >
      • 1 : 4 / 300 ED (IF)
      • 1 : 4 / 400 ED (IF)
      • 1 : 6.7 / 800 ED (IF)
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  • Acknowledgement

Serial Number Continuity

2/1/2021

3 Comments

 
The hypothesis that all Takumar lenses have unique serial numbers is supported. 

However, that doesn’t always apply to lenses of different kinds from adjacent batches. On very rare occasions (19 in all, or 0.03% of such batches), the last copy produced in a batch with serial number (n), is followed by the first copy of the lens in the next batch also with serial number (n), instead of (n+1).  I have long puzzled over this as an error on my part because it hasn’t been previously reported. I then realized that no one else is likely to have access to this information. I have checked and re-checked myself to be convinced that this phenomenon may be real. It is definitely human error, either mine, or another's (or both) and infinitesimally insignificant. Just in case you think I'm being curmudgeonly, on a good day I believe the error is a keyboard stroke misfire, but the analysis below allows otherwise. The best part of this dithering is that it underlines the truth of the above tenet (and my keyboard needs a good clean).
 
So, only adjacent batches of different lenses very rarely have the same serial number because of this kind of lapse in continuity. To date I have recorded over 68,000 lenses in over 5,800 batches. In the first 1 million serial numbers I found two pairs of batches sharing a serial number. Then in the mid 1960’s just after 2.5 million serial numbers 6 close-packed examples appear. Only one example occurs up to 4 million; another two around 5 million. Three appear up to 6 million (now including 6x7 lenses); one up to 7 million and four up to 8 million, all involving 6x7 lenses.
 
I am sharing this information for historical reasons. These observations may follow historical trends in the complexity of manufacture when staff and procedures would be facing greatest demands.  But, I have not been able to hold, or observe two lenses with identical serial numbers simultaneously. Actual details can be supplied if needed.
 
(These comments don't apply to AOCo publications. "Artistic licence", or other rules apply, because serial numbers on illustrations in brochures are often fictitious (i.e. re-used serial numbers).

2021 Frequencies now are posted for M42 lenses.
 
Regards,

Droo
3 Comments
Paul Crisp
3/12/2021 03:02:17 am

Thank you for such an amazing website. I first fell in love with Pentax about 20 years ago when I purchased an old Pentax K1000 off of my father-in-law, who had inherited it from his father. Along with that camera was an SMC PENTAX-M 50mm 1.4 lens. I later sold the camera, but kept the lens. I used the lens for fun stuff like reverse mounting it onto a Canon Powershot for some incredible macro photos. Now I have been using it with a couple Lumix S1H L mount cameras, and I just now took the dive into some older models. The look and flare these lenses produce make for some beautiful cinematography and photos.

I've only started to dive into the history of each lens just a touch, as I'd love to narrow down a production date for each for fun. Here are my Super Takumars and guesses at production dates if the serials happen to fall in any sort of order (which I have read here that is not really the case). Thanks again for your amazing work!

Super Takumar 24mm f/3.5 SN# 2975784
1968?

Super Takumar 50mm f/1.4 8 Element SN# 1335222
V period based on no R under the marker, the serial number is located before the "Super-Takumar" and there is still a comma after Asahi Opt. Co. Half stops except for 1.4-2 and 11-16. I'm guessing this is 1964

Super Takumar 85mm f1/9 SN# 888331
1964?

Super Takumar 135mm f/2.5 SN# 2515764
1966?

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Visualopsins
12/12/2021 03:47:31 am

"Asahi Opt. Co., Lens made in Japan 3211121 Takumar 1:2.8 / 105" (331)

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Jaro
26/12/2021 10:48:26 pm

Hi,
First of all thanks for your amazing website.
I have a question though.
There is a lot of information about Takumar lenses and also very useful description but i`m confused about this:
How can i know what each of Takumar version of any focal length lens is coated with Thorium and which one is not? Maybe there is a book, a database where can i look at it? I would like to use Takumars but i don`t want radioactive versions of them. Can you help me please how to recognize and them and choose a correct one? Are they all coated with Thorium or just couple of models like 50/1.4, 35/2, 55/1.8, 55/2...?
Can you give me some guide please. Thank you very much.

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    Thread mounted (M42) Takumar lenses are native to Asahi Pentax cameras. I used Takumars in field biology from 1972. I hope my research interests you.

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